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#1 Eric Mayer

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Posted 20 March 2006 - 07:53 PM

By request, I made this up tonight:

Rimfire rounds along-side their parent cartridge (ie: .22 Mag is parent to .17 HMR):



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Posted 05 May 2006 - 08:53 PM

Great comparison!!

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Posted 31 May 2006 - 03:44 AM

I was just wondering of their was a Balistic table that would show the same comparison.
i.e. The 5mm mag with the .17 HMR and .22 mag.

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Posted 21 May 2007 - 02:09 PM

That's a great picture, Eric. I never really knew what the difference was between a 17 HM2 and a 17 Aguila, but this photo really shows the difference. Only thing left out was the old 22 WRF; not too many of those left alive however, even though you can still get the ammo.

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Posted 01 June 2008 - 04:40 PM

QUOTE (A1C Bob @ May 31 2006, 04:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was just wondering of their was a Balistic table that would show the same comparison.
i.e. The 5mm mag with the .17 HMR and .22 mag.



This is a good article, Hope this helps,

http://www.chuckhawk..._comparison.htm

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Posted 01 August 2009 - 03:16 PM

I'm considering getting a .17 for my Encore. Other than the obvious diffferences between the 17HMR and 17HM2, what can you tell me about the two rounds and can you offer any recommendations.

Thanks.

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 02:19 PM

I guess it depends on what you intend to use it for.

The HM2 is considerably cheaper to shoot if you don't need the extra range/energy the HMR will provide.

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Posted 30 November 2010 - 05:08 PM

By request, I made this up tonight:

Rimfire rounds along-side their parent cartridge (ie: .22 Mag is parent to .17 HMR):

<img src="http://www.varminter...imfirecomp.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

Eric A. Mayer <img src="http://www.varminter...DIR#>/cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" />

Well, I've been wondering why Hornady doesn't load the same line of HMR projectiles in the .17Mach as the mach2 has 150% of the penetration and about the same 2" wind drift range as the .22 long rifle. The aquila round looks very interesting because it does have a very nice projectile, but I would be leery of firing it in the Mach2 chamber. I wonder if any wildcatters have reloaded Mach2 brass with the 20 grain FMJ used in the HMR. Does anyone have the ballistics of the Remington power tool charges? The Remington #3 100 count box indicates 12 different charges in the same size cartridge as the Aquila/PMC uses. They would make interesting charges in the correct chamber for loading a patch and ball from the muzzle.

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Posted 30 November 2010 - 05:28 PM

<!--quoteo(post=74300:date=May 31 2006, 04:44 AM:name=A1C Bob)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (A1C Bob @ May 31 2006, 04:44 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=74300"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I was just wondering of their was a Balistic table that would show the same comparison.
i.e. The 5mm mag with the .17 HMR and .22 mag.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


This is a good article, Hope this helps,

<a href="http://www.chuckhawk...comparison.htm" target="_blank">http://www.chuckhawk...parison.htm</a>

The problem with the article and all ballistic charts is that they never, ever furnish the foot lbs per square inch of frontal area. If all three rounds were solid points and all arrived at the target with the equal amounts of raw foot lbs the .17 will have the deepest penetration. Accuracy, Foot lbs per square inch of frontal area, and wind drift at 5mph crosswind are the numbers I compare first. http://www.lambadafa...ballistics.html

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 08:33 AM


By request, I made this up tonight:

Rimfire rounds along-side their parent cartridge (ie: .22 Mag is parent to .17 HMR):

<img src="http://www.varminter...imfirecomp.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

Eric A. Mayer <img src="http://www.varminter...DIR#>/cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" />

Well, I've been wondering why Hornady doesn't load the same line of HMR projectiles in the .17Mach as the mach2 has 150% of the penetration and about the same 2" wind drift range as the .22 long rifle. The aquila round looks very interesting because it does have a very nice projectile, but I would be leery of firing it in the Mach2 chamber. I wonder if any wildcatters have reloaded Mach2 brass with the 20 grain FMJ used in the HMR. Does anyone have the ballistics of the Remington power tool charges? The Remington #3 100 count box indicates 12 different charges in the same size cartridge as the Aquila/PMC uses. They would make interesting charges in the correct chamber for loading a patch and ball from the muzzle.

Well the power tool charges contain nitroglycerin and guncotton. Considering the explosive power they have I'm staying away from them, not going to ruin a good rifle over them.

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 11:48 PM

By request, I made this up tonight:

Rimfire rounds along-side their parent cartridge (ie: .22 Mag is parent to .17 HMR):

<img src="http://www.varminter...imfirecomp.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

Eric A. Mayer <img src="http://www.varminter...DIR#>/cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" />

Natchez Shooters Supplies is advertising that the .17 Aguila 20 Grain Solid point is safe to use in the Hornady Mach2 Chamber.
http://www.natchezss...odID=AU1B222342
They have listed the cartridge at 1850 F.P.S./286 Ft Lbs. Energy at the muzzle. They were advised on January 27, 2011 that their ballistic energy number is erroneous and should be 152 Foot Pounds and they stated that they would correct the information. As of 3 A.M Eastern Standard Time on February 5, 2011 Natchez has not corrected the Foot Pounds Energy number.
The .17 aquila round is considerably shorter than the Hornady .17 Mach2 and the FMJ projectile has no cartridge brass support in the neck area of the .17 Hornady Mach2 Chamber. This condition allows .018" total side movement of the projectile in the neck of the HM2 chamber. Do not use this round in your .17 Mach 2 chamber, it does not meet SAAMI requirements. It is NOT safe to use the .17 Aguila FMJ in a .17 Hornady Mach2 chamber. Please advise Natchez Shooters Supplies of your concern by emailing "OC Natchez Shooters Supplies" <orders@natchezss.com>

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Posted 05 February 2011 - 05:24 AM

http://www.varminter...icles/17pmc.htm

I and others have used the Aguila in the MachII without any incident. This is nothing new.

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 05:13 AM

By request, I made this up tonight:

Rimfire rounds along-side their parent cartridge (ie: .22 Mag is parent to .17 HMR):

<img src="http://www.varminter...imfirecomp.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

Eric A. Mayer <img src="http://www.varminter...DIR#>/cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" />


Great pic Eric.....nice

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 05:42 AM

Yeah on the great picture. When I was sighting in my .17 WSM at the range yesterday, the other shooters were impressed with the .17WSM. The gentleman shooting next to me owned a HMR and didn't realize the difference until we compared side by side, the HMR and the WSM rounds. He was impressed.

My WSM isn't as accurate as my HMR but the bore is not broken in yet. Time will tell.

The WSM is louder, an often asked queston.

The WSM has half of the wind drift and half of the drop of the HMR. I don't have figures here, but it has more knock down power. It works great for large size varmints, according to my readings and actual kill videos. Eric has done a fantastic job with the subject of the .17WSM. Nice work, Eric!

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 01:51 PM

Thanks!

Eric B)