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#1 Alan



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Posted 27 December 2018 - 06:12 AM

My friend, the late Dr. H. Peter Metzger, used the phrase coercive utopians, in a pamphlet published by Xcel Energy, in April, 1978. Then in 1980, Rael and Erich Isaac, published a book entitled The Coercive Utopians. Both publications explained what the term, coercive utopians meant, and what their hidden agendas really were. While the pamphlet is no longer available, and the Isaac’s book hard to find, there is still, thankfully, a YouTube video explaining their agendas. ()


If you sit though the first few minutes, you might wonder what this has to do with varmint hunting, specifically or in general? But wade further in to the 55 minute speech, and you’ll start to get the idea; Using Congress and the courts to force the leftwing’s socialist agenda on the unwary. The sub rosa agenda is to enrich the rich, while the rest of us pay for the privilege! 


One of the biggest social programs which epitomizes the coercive utopians’ agenda, is Obama care. Please note, the left always uses the term Affordable Care Act, which we all know that it isn’t! More to the point, coercive utopians are anti-gun, and it should be glaringly evident why. Nonetheless, it is summed up simply in the phrase, When guns are outlawed, only outlaws (aka the Fed) will have guns!


I further suspect California’s anti-lead stance is indeed a form of coercive utopianism. I’ll buy removing lead from waterfowl hunting areas, due in part to the Rachel Carson Effect, but extending that ban to rifle and pellet ammunition, is intenable. 


The natural levels of lead in soil range between 50 and 400 parts per million, depending on the region. However, some areas may see much higher levels due in part to the use of lead in gasoline before 1980 (California?). The point here is, the amount of lead used and spent in the shooting sports, is insignificant when looking at the whole picture—a fact coercive utopians ignore because it minimizes their agenda!


Make no mistake about it. If the National Socialist movement (aka coercive utopians) is allowed to flourish, there will be no shooting sports of any kind, save using sticks and stones!



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Posted 10 February 2019 - 08:06 AM

They are not trying to eliminate lead ammo for hunting, that is just a side effect. The only way to ram the AOC Communist agenda down our throats,and it is Communist is to eliminate the second amendment, which is for preventing a totalitarian government. When over 30% of the youth think Socialism would be good, and don't even know what it is, the threat is imminent.They are  coming for all guns, and it will only get worse, far worse.

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#3 Glen



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Posted 10 February 2019 - 10:52 AM

I agree with your assessment up to a point. My difference in opinion lies in the fact that ammo manufacturers are circling the lefts agenda with lead free & doing a very nice job with their lead free offerings. Especially the copper solid offerings.


To take my views a step further I firmly believe in the Freedom ringers & that they will fight if that time should ever arise on our soil. I believe that wholly & if this govt ever takes steps to remove our guns collectively there will be bloodshed.


I cannot promise that will happen but I do believe the chances are so high that it won't for at least 50yrs. And by then our foundation is hopefully even more embedded into our,, the next 2 generations,, youth & they will fight just as hard.


Just my thoughts, beliefs & hopes for a future peaceful American society.

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