.204 vs .22-250
Posted 08 February 2012 - 09:15 PM
The rifles i was looking at were the savage model 12 FCV with the accu trigger and the thompson centerfire venture
Do any of you guys have any experience with these rifles ? good /bad reviews. are they accurate? do they shoot accurately after putting a few shots down range ? or do they throw lead ?
any help would be great
oh p.s im sorry if there is already another topic similar to mine
Posted 09 February 2012 - 05:46 AM
The 204 Ruger is a recent entry that shoots 4000+ fps, but with lighter bullets. Bullet choices are limited (I think only two weights are readily available), requires different cleaning rod, jag, etc. & has less energy @ 400 yards than the 22-250, so clean kills at that distance could be more questionable. It is popular with the 20 cal crowd, but personally I don't see where it fills a useful niche other cartridges don't already fill. The difference in trajectory is inconsequential at the ranges mentioned.
As both these rounds are high intensity, high velocity they will foul the barrel fairly quickly & show some accuracy loss after about twenty rounds or so,(sometimes less) depending on your barrel quality. My experience is the 204 will foul quicker & is harder to clean.
Both are also very damaging to the pelt because of the high velocity & very explosive bullets used. Coyotes shot at under 150 yards will have grapefruit size holes in them & the pelt will be ruined. If your shots are 300 yards and under & you have concerns about pelt damage you can load them to a lower velocity & use the harder less explosive match type bullets or get a 223 Rem or 221 Fireball. If pelt damage is not a concern, I would go with the 22-250, as I think it is more versatile & will allow more range if needed. At under 300 yards my 221 Fireball is very deadly with minimal pelt damage, almost no recoil, & a lot less muzzle blast. It's my go to call in gun.
Posted 09 February 2012 - 06:07 AM
I've owned and used both for coyotes and was a dedicated 22-250 guy. I now own none but have three 204's. I personally like the 204 better for the reasons stated.
Posted 09 February 2012 - 08:52 AM
20 cal, 33 gr. V-Max @ 4100 fps muzzle velocity, 200 yard zero: At 400 yards, energy = 290 ft/lb, bullet drop 15.6"
22 cal, 55 gr. V-Max @ 3800 fps muzzle velocity, 200 yard zero: At 400 yards, energy = 627 ft/lb, bullet drop 14.7"
Source: Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading. Vol. 2, Ballistics Tables.
At 500 yards the disparity is even greater in favor of the 22-250. With an energy level advantage of 468 to 189 & a bullet drop of 31.4" to 35.3" The old rule of ballistics applies, velocity erodes, but mass doesn't!
Don't have much data for velocities for the other bullets in the 204, so it's velocity & energy levels may be able to be improved slightly from what I've shown here, but regardless, the 22-250 is the superior cartridge @ ranges of 400 yards & beyond. At shorter ranges the differences in trajectory between them is measured in tenths of inches (irrelevant) & the energy level of a 204 @ 200 yards is what a 22-250 still has at 400 yards. This is why I think the 204 is questionable for 400 yard coyotes. All this being said, they are both great rounds & will serve the user well.
Posted 09 February 2012 - 09:03 AM
Posted 09 February 2012 - 09:29 AM
17 Rem. Fireball/MachIV
- Berger HP 30 grs over 15.7 Alliant Reloader 7 this produces and average velocity of 3500fps with about 800ft-lbs
- The 17Rem causes almost no damage to the pelt when using 25gr v-maxs, or 25gr hollow point match bullets by horned.
- using 27 to 32gr by calhoun you get between 3500fps and 3200fps
- this will produce a 32gr calhoun at about 4000fps
- This can be loaded with everything from 32grn to 55grn bullets and will produce anywhere from 4000fps to 3500fps depending on bullet weight
- You guys covered this already
- Hawkeye you covered this also
- Just about the same thing
222 Rem. Magnum
- The same thing as the 222 just a little faster
-the 6-223 or often called the 6x45 is a necked up 223 round to 6mm or .243 this is a better ballistics round that the 223 due to the increased velocity, and weight of bullets if you want Hawkeye will tell you all about this round. He is the one that introduced me to it; I am currently working building a rifle in this caliber.
Hope this helps, I think there should be no reason that you limit yourself to two rounds look at the world of wildcats it is awesome.
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Posted 09 February 2012 - 06:14 PM
I used the 32's for one season for coyotes. I lost none and some were absulutely destroyed, but it's not the best bullet IMO. Particularly for long range application such as prairie dogs, the light 20 cal bullets cannot hold a candle to the 39's or 40s. The difference is night and day.
I'm in no way nocking the 22-250. It's a fine caliber that is idealy suited for coyotes. I enjoy the fact that I can kill them just as dead with lighter recoil and muzzle blast of the 204 is all. And, as stated above, the plain old fashioned 223 has been responsible for many many dead coyotes too and I had not considered the fact that hand loading may not be on the table.
edit, just ran a calc, my mistake, the 204 beats the 250 in trajectory from the get go, but does not catch up to it energy wise until around 600 yards. So, it's probably moot as those distances are not typical coyote calling ranges. Under 300 the 22-250 certainly has it beat for energy.
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