Need load Data for 452AA powder
Posted 21 March 2008 - 08:36 PM
Posted 22 March 2008 - 05:51 AM
Some guys swore by the stuff, I favored 231 or AA#2, as it was easier to find on a regular basis. Here in town, we've had irregular availability of Winchester powder, even then. I DID try 452AA, but didn't like it in my pistols.
The 452AA "craze" was started by a column in The American Handgunner magazine, back when Dan Cotterman was editing that column. He'd got a letter from a German guy who used 452 in all his pistols with good results, and it started a run on that powder here. (Germans can only keep X amount of gunpowder on hand, so the guy was doing all he could with what he could get). Cotterman and I were corresponding quite a bit in those days, so I heard quite a bit about it. He introduced me to Terry Murbach, a gunwriter for Petersen's Handguns, and we visit back and forth, to this day. Terry quit that business and went to work for Black Hills, and then, Cor-Bon, until he retired a couple of years ago.
Posted 22 March 2008 - 04:32 PM
I wil give it a try.
A Winchester loading booklet from 1992 tells that 452AA was out of production then.
One of my kids shoots a 9mm. My three girls shoot 9x18 Mak. I might try it in them. If I can figure where to start.
Posted 23 March 2008 - 03:59 AM
It's been out of production for quite awhile.
Posted 24 March 2008 - 10:37 AM
I have some of the older Winchester books at home. I'll try to remember to check it out when I get home. I also have the older Speer, Hornady, Lyman and Sierra reloading manuals which might have the info.
Posted 24 March 2008 - 08:27 PM
205 gr. actual weight H&G 68 semi wadcutter
WW 452 AA 5.4 gr. - ave 887 fps
WW 452 AA 5.3 gr. - Ave 870 fps
85 degree outside temperature
452 is an interesting powder as is is temperature sensitive in reverse. Let your ammo reach outside temp on a hot 90 degree day and the velocity will be lower than on a 60 degree day. I hope this helps you.
This reply is a copy of one of my earlier posts to this same basic question.
Posted 25 March 2008 - 01:30 AM
I shoot an old single stack 45. The old barral looks like a piece of sewer pipe on the inside but it prints great groups with my 200gr cast SWC (RCBS). I will try feeding it some of this powder.
Thanks to all who have helped with this question.
Posted 25 March 2008 - 04:35 AM
The 1975 Winchester loading guide lists 452AA as a shotshell powder, but does not list any handgun loads using 452AA.
The 1994 Winchester loading guide does not list 452AA, but does list WST. This quote from the guide, "WST is an excellent choice in standard velocity handgun loads such as 38 Special and 45 ACP due to its low charge weight, clean burning and low muzzle flash." I checked the handgun data and found this for 38 Special: 148 gr. Lead Bevel Base WC / WST / 2.5 gr / 665 fps starting to 2.7 gr / 700 fps MAXIMUM. Also 158 gr. Lead SWC / WST / 3.3 gr / 705 fps starting to 3.7 gr / 770 fps MAXIMUM. No data for 9mm or .357 Magnum using WST. For the .45 ACP there are several loads listed. This is for the 200 gr. Lead bullet / WST / 4.4 gr / 830 fps starting to 5.1 gr. / 910 fps MAXIMUM.
The 2003 Winchester loading guide has this for 38 Special: 148 gr. Lead Bevel Base WC / WST / 2.5 gr / 665 fps starting to 2.7 gr / 700 fps MAXIMUM. Also 158 gr. Lead SWC / WST / 3.3 gr / 705 fps starting to 3.7 gr / 770 fps MAXIMUM. Nothing for 9 mm Luger. For the .45 ACP there are several loads listed. This is for the 200 gr. Lead bullet / WST / 4.4 gr / 830 fps starting to 5.1 gr. / 910 fps MAXIMUM.
The 2006 Winchester loading guide does not list data for the 9mm, 38 special, .357 Magnum or .45 ACP using WST.
I also checked various editions of Speer, Sierra and Hornady reloading manuals and found nothing listed.
Posted 26 March 2008 - 06:35 AM
Thank you for your help. This will give me a place to start.
Four pounds of the stuff aught to keep me expermenting for a while.
I wish to say thanks to all the kind helpful people who meet on this site. I hope you all have a great time of "Summer Hunten"
Posted 26 March 2008 - 06:44 AM
Right back atcha TJD!!
BTW-- Don't forget to take the camera out with you.