I've seen many good topics turn to jabs for no reason than to stir the crap about the 17 HMR and the 22 Magnum. Enough already. I'm tired of wading through the debates to get to the information at hand.

For example, if there is a post about .22 Magnum ammunition, there is no reason for someone to interject a totally off topic jab about the .17 HMR. I can understand the passion about a caliber, but this takes it a bit too far.

This forum is a place to come and enjoy talk with others about what they enjoy, rimfires. So, keep threads on topic as much as possible and keep the debates to a minimum.

I will say this. The debates show that we all love this stuff, but I would hate to miss out on some great information because I didn't read a thread due to excessive bashing. I would probably not be shooting the .17HM2, if I believed all the venom spewed about the caliber. It is now my favourite rimfire caliber. I shutter to think all the great shooting I would have missed out on had I listened to all the nay-sayers...

So, respectfully, I ask everyone to curtail their bashing and enjoy the Rimfire Forum for its diversity and acceptance of all calibers... (Sounds like I should be a politician ).

Eric A. Mayer

4 words, Eric: You Have The Power

I totaly agree I do not have any gripes about either caliber they are equaly useful in ther own way so please stop the crap i've seen to much of it and i'm sick of it i like my 22mag and my 17hmr equaly

Yea...........I guess your right

Hope I can still tell jokes a little now and then though...........

love the 17hm2 as well eric, Ive got an open mind to anything that kills animals or goes bang, including M80's

I have 22 LR ,22WMR 17 HM2 ,and 17 HMR rifles. They are all fine rounds. Each has it`s good point and limitations. I have entered the bullet diameter, weight, BC , ft/sec velocity and point blank range into the ballisitics program at www.huntingnut.com for each rimfire round. I now have rimfire rifles with the scopes set for the yards that that matches my type of shooting.

Diversaty is never a bad thing

eric
my first note from Australia
yes i fully agree if its , fun do it
i just love my 17hmr

it really shoots flat to 200 yds

lindsay

Welcome lindsay,

Always interesting to here from varmint hunters in Australia. Hope, to see some photos,short storys,etc.

Do you hunt fox?

Take care mate,

Bill

Queensland is not noted for their foxes.

I agree with Eric folks this is a place where we share our experence with the calibers we love. I have both the 17 Hmr and 22 mag and both have a pleace in the field. There is many problems in the world but we don't need bring that strife in to the forum. I love to read your stories and I love you guys it sadden me when I see this on the forum.

God Bless you all.

Smoker

I do haft to say, for all the back and forth on the 17 and the 22, it's not nearly as bad here as it is on just about any of the auto forums I post on... People there will argue for 300 posts back and forth over the dumbest stuff you have ever seen... Stuff like which color is the coolest, whos car is the coolest (the funny part is it will be two guys who have the same year and model with a diff options package)....

At any rate, lets keep the banter down, that is something I really like here, less fighting... Why direct all that anger at people who like a difrent cal when you could be directing it at any number of fluffys that are trying to steal or wreck any number of your crops/fruits or whatever.

hello. i am new here. i live in southeast missouri and do as much hunting and shooting here as possible. i to have heard some of the goofiest comments on this. i have each rimfire mentioned in these discussions and can say, in my opinion, theres not enough difference between them to argue about. a person doesnt buy a .338 mag to squirrel hunt. in the same manner a person doesnt buy a rimfire for a 400 yd varmit gun. the 22 mag will kill a coyote, no doubt. i have done it, as many here have with probably more experience than i. the 17 mach2 will kill a coyote. yes i have done that also. not at 200 yds, but thats not what the cartridge was designed to do. with a rimfire a person has to know its limits. all guns have there own. when i am working on getting really good pelts. rimfires are my choice. alot of people say its wrong to shoot anything bigger than a butterfly with a 17 or 22, what a load. at 100yds even the mach2 has at least 66ft/lbs of energy, but some say its only good on prarie dogs out to 80 yds... if 1200ft/lbs is good on a 300lb mule deer, why is 66ft/lbs not acceptable on a prarie dog? are we giving varmits and predators more credit than our game animals? also even rimfire fans cut down the calibers they dont shoot. one example, the hmr messes up small game to much. dont know about you, but i dont eat the head anyway and never go for a shoulder shot even with a 22lr. i do not hunt with a rimfire because i have to, but because i want to. i like shooting each and all of them. i keep my shots to under 125 yds and never have any trouble. everything from rabbits, squirrels, coon, fox, bobcat and yes coyotes will fall to any of these little rifles. which one is best? take your pick, you cant go wrong. thank you.

i think both of em " piss " really good, but i prefer 22 mag, for me it's the #1 pisser

hello from england i have a 17hmr its the gun i reach for every time sako quad it kicks butt man great on the old charlie red fox has eny body tried the 20 grainers i use the 17 v max wots the best

think puncuation...........

think get ----ed im dislexic toss pot

catsnakers-- I edited your post. I wrote "butt" in place of the word you used. We do have children that view the site with their parents so Thanks for your co-operation.

And your reply to skb was a little harsh as well. Take a deep breath & just say what you want in a friendly manner. These fella around here are some of the best hunters & shooters you'll find & will freely give any information they can at any time. But they/we won't tolerate those comments.

sorry if i upset any young people out there ive been hunting since i was a little boy of 8 with my dad and now a few things 2 i am now 34 and go out at least 3 times a week just intrested in wot you guys get up 2 dont mean any harm. going to kentucky t.a in october to my cousins place he is a hunting and fishing guide carnt wait

Kinda refreshing, certainly colorful. That "toss pot", I mean. Pardon my asking, but is that a pot that you'd use at night to avoid going to the, uh, loo? Anyway, I understood what you were writing with out any problem, and sorry for the tension. I hope you have a terrific time with your cuz in Kentucky. Squirrels there are smarter than most people. Good luck, man.

well they're smarter than the people who live in Kentucky any way.
Ah crap, my families from kentucky
i understood fine also.

Eric Myers: Are YOU serious?
Do you think YOU have the horsepower to DECIDE what other people opine, say or post???
How offensive can you become - are you having some kind of a Leona Helmsley like contest with yourself?
WHAT are you trying to do - decide exactly WHAT other people may converse about?
Judas Priest man are you an idiot or an egotistical small man type?
Just WHOM do you think you are? The decider of all things pertinent and righteous?
I have entered into and enjoyed dozens of exchanges just like you are trying to prevent!
I enjoy them and they serve a purpose albeit obviously it is beyond the scope of someone with your mentality to appreciate!
Take a stand small man and allow those with differing opinions to express them or go screw yourself - I could care less!
Real smart there Eric Myers conduct a forum for ONLY things that you agree with completely - what a JOKE!
ROTFLMAO!
Where do people like you get off?
LONG live freedom of speech!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Eric Mayer: In my previous post I did not mean to offend you by misspelling your "nom de plume"!
I hope I have it right now - in my urgency to respond to your incredibly stupid request I unintentionally got your name wrong in my prior post!
I did though, mean to offend you regarding your ridiculous and outrageous contention pertaining to freedom of speech!
In all sincerity I need for you to answer this question - are you an IDIOT or are you simply an egotistical buffoon?
I need to make a decision regarding you!
Long live freedom of speech!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Yep, "Varmint Guy", I'm the guy who decides. My site, my rules. Freedom of speech does not apply to a privately run forum, it was written into the Bill of Rights regarding a people vs. their Government.

When you signed up to this forum you agreed to certain "Terms of Service". Since you don't want to follow the TOS, I shall happily remove you.

Eric A. Mayer
Varminter.com

Wow. A total blow up over a thread that has laid dormant since June...... ~AMMOe

Obviously he did not realize (at the time) the extent that those "Pissing Matches" were becoming a huge distraction here. Not to mention they were just plain getting old.

Oh well........Gone with the Wind~Varmint Guy

Wow.........

WTF?????

Yep. You should have seen the emails he sent me today...

Eric

What happened to the thread on the 17 FB where he spent several days shredding my cheeks, basically for agreeing with him about the quality of factory rifles today and yesterday?

That got more weird the further it went .....

-BCB

Its easier to do nothing and act like an idoit (or be one) and start fights, than to do something useful. Even grandma is a cagefighter on the internet...

He's been tossed from other sites for the same rants. Its wears on a person quickly. I personally couldn't give a rats axx but I figured he'd show up somewhere with the same old drivel.

Amazing! You've got to love it when they chew you a new one in an email after the fact. It sure makes pushing the banned button easier.

so has there been a decisive winner in the 17 hmr vs. 22 mag?

YEP!!

I am stunned by varmint guy, what a bizarre out of the blue attack?

As for which magnum rimfire round is best..... I bought the other one and still find myself in an uncomfortable position on the fence.

my advice is buy them both!

I'm still laughin at the "toss pot" thing.

toss pot = what they use in the trailer park when the sewer reservoir is full

Jeez..I have'nt been on the forum for a while and I miss all the action.

I like both the .17HMR and .22MAG ,but I also like my .17 Ackley hornet
for ruint critters.....DUSTER

ooooh - 17AH!

I think we have a winner Nice of that squirrel to hang around for the photo op.

That would make a nice Christmas ornament hanging the tree that way.

Very nice! My buddys building a 20cal. Squirrel off of a 5mm Rem action 20" douglas barrel varmint lam stock can't wait to see what it does to a squirrel maybe 30gr. Bergers at 2,500fps? Man I love those small calibers!

I think all the rimfires are just plain fun to shoot. I have two 17HMR's, One .22 Mag, and six .22 rifles, luvtoshhot them all. If they aren't big enought to to do the job I drag out my .223 or 6.5-06 or 7X57 or 30-06, one of them will take care my needs I would like to have a 17M2 just for kicks, looks like a neat little cartridge and another fun shooter. So my advice is to enjoy what ever one turns you on.

I started shooting a rimfire rifle back in the late 1940s. Its still fun for me and have a 17 HM2, 17 HMR, 22 LR, 22WMR rifles and a few 22 hand guns. I missed out on getting a 5 MM Rem but if some new 5 MM rifles are made I ll have to try one. I have shot a bunch of prairie dogs and a few other kritters with the rimfires rounds. They are all good rounds , each are a bit different and are fun to shoot when has an accurate firearm.