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> The 17hm2 - Results From The Field, A Short Report - By Eric A. Mayer
post Oct 23 2005, 07:07 PM
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When: 10/22/2005

Where: Central California

Weather: Hazy Sun, Mid/Low 80's, Light wind

Firearms: CZ Model 452 American

Caliber: 17HM2 (17 Mach II) Rimfire

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I'm writing this short report in the Rimfire Forum, only because the report and the hunt speak more of the caliber used, than the animals killed.

I headed up with my buddy, Tom, to a Central California Ground Squirrel spot where we met up with Bill D from the Go Go Varmint Board. We had just received permission to shoot a property that, up until now, had not been shot. Once we finally gained access, the morning had already slipped away with only a handful of shots fired. We setup our benches with a Walnut grove as a backstop, but as we realized earlier that morning, they were in the middle of harvesting the nuts so our shooting "lanes" were severely limited at times. The shooting was slow at first, with most shots being approximately 125 yards. The backstop was a berm that bordered the southern edge and was littered with holes. Bill and I were shooting CZ Model 452 American rifles chambered in the 17HM2 caliber. He was shooting CCI ammunition and I was shooting Hornady ammunition. Tom was shooting a Marlin lever action .22 Magnum using CCI HP ammunition.

The shots ranged anywhere from 50 yards out to the 125 yard berm. The hold-over on shots out to the berm was a couple of inches, but I zeroed 1" high at 50 yards. The wind deflection was not too bad, so the hold was only an inch or so, depending on the breeze at the moment. I'm not going to compare the 17HM2's ballistics to the .22LR in detail, within this report, as that has been beat to death in various forums on the internet. Instead, I am going to report on the kills made by this caliber and try to dispel some of the myths put out by folks who have probably never used the cartridge.

In the first location, the killing was pretty easy with the 17HM2. When the bullet connected, it made an audible "pop" and was followed with the classic "tail wave". We had only a few run off, but those were normally the fault of bullet placement. Anything hit in the boiler, died on the spot.

At one point during the day, I walked up to speak to the guy running the harvesting operation at the Walnut grove next door. I borrowed Tom's .22 caliber pellet rifle, hoping to kill some of the Ground Squirrels that had taken over the land-owner's front yard. I came to find that he too was carrying a pellet rifle, shooting the Ground Squirrels that were crawling on or around the equipment they were using to shake the trees and collect the nuts. After a few minutes of talking to him, we had permission to shoot within the grove as well.

I headed back to our setup and shot for a bit until I realized that the harvesters had called it a day. Bill and Tom were shooting squirrels with the pellet rifle, so after a bit I headed into the grove with my CZ HM2. I skirted the trees as I entered the grove, seeing squirrels running everywhere. I dropped a couple right off, but looked down the grove and saw hundreds more. I walked down some more and sat down next to a tree using a bipod to balance my rifle. The shooting was pretty fast and furious. Most shots were within 75 yards, which is where I found the 17HM2 to perform flawlessly if I did my part. I dropped a total of 25 in a matter of minutes. One group of 12 died within feet of each other. I had a total of one squirrel run off and one other needing a follow-up shot (I had creased it's spine with the first).

Below you will find links to pictures that show each of these 12. Because of the soft dirt, you can see for yourself how far the squirrels went before they died. Only two traveled anywhere and that was within a foot or so. These are not small ground squirrels, as the picture with the boot right below will show. That is a size 12 boot, next to an average sized ground squirrel:



After a little bit, Bill and Tom came up to join me and we shot a bunch. At the end of the day, Bill spent some time shooting in the grove and got in some pretty fast and furious shooting. When Bill finally came back, he had a huge grin on his face! He and his CZ 17HM2 cleaned up!

Here is a shot with us next to a small group of Bill's ground squirrels:



Final thoughts about the 17HM2 (17 Mach II):

Over a hundred 17HM2 Ground Squirrel kills later, I can speak as someone who is educated about the performance of this cartidge.

Everyday on the internet I read about how this caliber is "dead" or "dying". These posts cannot be from people who have consistantly shot this cartridge. On the other hand, I read the glowing reports from folks like me who have shot the caliber and who are amazed by the accuracy and killing power it possesses. I'm sorry, but when it comes to killing small varmints, it blows the doors off the .22 Long Rifle. Ballistically, it is also a superior cartridge because it takes the guessing away on hold-over. Sight-in at 50 or 100 yards and the hold-over issue goes away. The 17 grain bullet is far more explosive than the standard 30 or 40 grain hp offered in the .22 Long Rifle.

Folks who have not tried the 17HM2 should and folks who bash the cartridge really don't know what they are talking about.

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Here are the kill shots:
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post Oct 23 2005, 08:06 PM
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Interesting. I used to hunt large New England grays with a 22LR. I wish I could step back in time for a little bit. I should take my 96/22 - M2 or my 77/22-M2 out for a romp on some prairiedogs tomorrow and see what happens. I've put a lot of rounds through the 77/22 M2 but only a couple-few hundred from the 96/22 M2. I guess it needs another look. ~AMMOe
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post Oct 24 2005, 01:09 AM
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Good report. And good reviews on the HM2.


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post Oct 24 2005, 04:10 AM
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I to am a 17 HM2 fan . This year I used a CZ Varmint rifle w/ Burris 4-12 X scope to shoot about 550 prairie dog pups at ranges from 25 to 140 Yds but hold most of the shots with in 80 Yds. I added a 17 HM2 Cooper LVT M 57 rifle to my collection last week end. The 17 HM2 may not be as popular as the 17 HMR but for small varmints it is one fine round. It should be around for a long time.
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post Oct 24 2005, 06:51 AM
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Hi everyone! This is my 1st post on Varminter, but I spend a bit of time on other sites. Eric thanks for getting me on board.

I love your stories. There always a great read.

I've been thinking about an HM2. My doubt isn't with the cartridge, and it's ability, but in it's lack of popularity. I'm afraid it's going to bite the dust. Over the past year I've visited several gun shops and BassPro Shops, and have asked how the Mach 2 is doing. I have not had one positive response. Several of the shops claim that they haven't sold a box of ammo, yet. A few have told me that some people have mistakenly bought some, instead of the HMR ammo. One gunshop owner recently descibed it as a "sissy round". --- I'm not sure enough people are going to give it a shot (no pun intended--well maybe a little bit). I've said it before, Hornady should have released the HM2 before the more powerful HMR. It is good to see a few promos for the HM2, on a couple of outdoor channels. The vast majority of gunshop owners are clueless about this round. I blame them, because, it's their merchandise to sell. I wouldn't call anything a "sissy round", and expect success. There only hurting their own business. Lastly, I also blame Hornady, they have obviously missed the boat in regards to educating the shop owners and the public about the HM2. --- I think it came too hot of the heels of the HMR.
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post Oct 24 2005, 08:13 AM
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Sissy round? I guess they call the 22LR a Sissy round too?

I don't have one and don't have any intensions on buying one any time soon. Simply because I have no real use for it. Now if we had herds of ground squirrels like in the above photo's I'd be on top of it.

You're right in that coming to market so soon after the HMR the two are easily confused by the uninformed.


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post Oct 24 2005, 08:37 AM
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Eric,
I really enjoyed our squirrel shoot together as always and appreciate you including me in the fun. You are spot on with your description of the .17 Mach II. Farmers depend on me killing lots of squirrels so I wouldn't be using the M2 if it wasn't accurate and lethal. Like many .17 rimfire fans, I started with the .17 HMR and still use it a lot but after first trying the M2, my HMR's guns don't get near the field time. Now I have 3 M2 rifles and a 14" TC barrel in M2. I love the cost of the ammo ($5.00/box) as opposed to paying $8 plus for the HMR ammo. Ninety percent of my ground squirrel shooting is under 125 yards so I don't feel the least bit handicapped by using the M2 as an effective rodent eliminator. The quietness of the M2 is also a big plus when shooting in a populated area and I feel the lower noise level helps keep the live targets popping up in a shorter period of time. My own experience has shown that the M2 is even effective on coyotes under 100 yards with good bullet placement. I am 3 for 3 on yotes with the M2......two lung shots and one neck shot at close range. I don't recommend the M2 on coyotes but when it is all you have in your hands, it will work if you do your part and stay away from big bones like the front shoulder.

They say a picture is worth a thousand words so I have included an image of a successful shoot using the M2 on ground squirrels. These squirrels were pouring out of rangeland into an almond orchard and decimating the green nuts. In this picture, the orchard is behind the camera position. I stayed back in the shade of the orchard approximately 50 yards and popped the squirrels as they came through the fence. I concentrated on keeping the crosshairs on the front shoulder and only had two crawlers get away. The shooting was fast and furious!
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post Oct 24 2005, 09:17 AM
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Pecci and Bill D,
Welcome!!
Glad to have you both here biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
I get a real kick out of your posts on GGVG, Bill cool.gif Some real nice photos with them--be sure to check out our photo forum here.
A lot of super folks frequent this site and I'm sure you will find a home here.
I don't have a .17M2, but do have 3 .17's--HMR, MachIV and .17 Rem--LUV dem small cals.
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post Oct 24 2005, 06:12 PM
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QUOTE (Pecci @ Oct 24 2005, 11:51 AM)
I've been thinking about an HM2.  My doubt isn't with the cartridge, and it's ability, but in it's lack of popularity.  I'm afraid it's going to bite the dust.
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Pecci – I think the .17 HM2 is going to stay. If you’re concerned about being left high and dry if ammo production stops, get a bolt-action rifle that can take after-market barrels. If the cartridge doesn’t make it, you can re-barrel to .22LR.

I hope Ruger eventually comes out with a Mk 3 Hunter chambered for the HM2. They advertised one with a long, fluted barrel but I guess it hasn’t been produced for some reason. I think that would be the ultimate plinking pistol. wink.gif

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post Oct 24 2005, 06:25 PM
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Eric – you guys have some great shooting spots. I lived in California when I was a kid, but I don’t remember so many ground squirrels. ohmy.gif
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